Why I don’t read young adult fiction (YA) – a discussion


Hey guys so today we’re here to talk about Literature and we’re gonna have a little chat with you This is a video that I have talked about a long time ago actually and I told you I was going to do it But then I never go around doing it because I was too busy and because I didn’t really know what to Exactly say cuz I feel like I have a lot of things to say But then when it comes to making those into a video, it’s a bit more complex So today we’re gonna talk about young adult literature or young adult fiction or YA to be a bit more concise I want to preface this video by saying I hope no one gets offended. It is not my intention to offend or diminish or Question anyone’s tastes or anyone’s Reading habits, I’m just merely expressing my opinion and trying to have a bit of a discussion about literature and I hope you can take this with a grain of salt but also take this with a little bit of you know, lucidity and Try to be objective about it and try to see if there’s anything you can take from it to perhaps You know question you Yourself your own habits when you comes to reading so as you probably know I do not read YA I read I would say probably 95% of what I read is classics and then you have books that are not even Literature or fiction, you know essays and books about politics and feminism and veganism And then there is a very small part as well, which is more Contemporary but that still would fall somehow under of course, they’re not classics, but they are not Your how would I say that it’s not YA it’s not the bestsellers book You know, it’s contemporary literature that still fits into a mold. That’s Kind of hard to explain that books that you could study at uni, I suppose Um, I don’t choose my books based on all the classics or not I don’t choose my books based on all the study that University or not. I do not choose my books based on what I should be reading even though being a French and literature teacher and Probably maybe gonna try to apply for a PhD Yes, I do have to read certain things and I do have to have some sort of literary culture and literary knowledge so there are books that I need to read and yes, there is a sort of To be read at least for me But coincidently and very happily and luckily for me this list of books that I should be reading because I’m a teacher and because I want To have this knowledge of literature Is also just the bits that I would naturally Read and would gravitate towards naturally I do like Classics I like them I like them for what they talk about for how they talk about it I like them for how you can study them and how deep they can be and while I am perfectly aware that yes Classics can be problematic and if you want me to make a video on the classic, let me know. I would happily do that. I think it would be a very naive and very Incorrect way to you look at classics to think of them as being originally by white males and Only showing that kind of vision So yes I do read mostly classics because I have to but mostly and primarily because I want to and I have read “YA” when I was really young. I have read some books that you know are targeted towards children or towards teenagers But even when I was very young, I remember going to the public library with my mom or my dad and my sister and I remember that I would always want to go to the adult section and Very soon. I started going there and very soon. I started taking books from the teenager or children or young adult section But also the adult sections and I remember very clearly that in the teenager section there also where classics I remember there were Victor Hugo “Les Misérables”, I remember there was some Dostoïevski. I remember There was some Jules Verne a lot of different books and so I have always been reading classics and another form of literature and Naturally growing up I started giving up on “YA” Precisely because “YA” is supposed to be something you read when you’re young because it is targeted towards young people and I I have to admit that I’ve never really understood why people claim they love to read with stick to YA and not A great I suppose two books that are a bit more bit more that way more complex and richer and interesting Because yes classics are for the most part more interesting more complex on the literary perspective but also just on the thought and Almost on the philosophical level way more interesting. So I have read my fair share of “YA” It’s been a while Since I haven’t read any so a lot of you may tell me that why you that I used to read when I was younger is different from “YA” that’s published right now and that I’m not really in a position to say anything but I have read extracts from really big bestsellers like John Green, for example, and I’ve always Felt like who honestly past a certain age who would wanna read that without getting super bored Because it’s not that it’s bad. It’s one that it’s badly writting. It’s not that it’s not necessarily interesting, but it is definitely something aimed for younger people and unless You’re reading it because you also read something else next to it. And you really want to relax and that’s what you take to relax Unless you’re ready in that way. I have to admit it kind of is a mystery to me. How you could not see how Empty it was superficial it can be So I think what’s really interesting and when I was thinking of you doing this video I was really trying to think of “YA” in history has “YA” always existed and so it’s actually interesting to notice that it doesn’t and that it actually has Evolved quite a bit. So if you think of like the 18th 19th or even 17th century There was no “YA” as we know of as for now And what really made me want to talk about that was also I was reading Flaubert’s letters and in those letters he talks about why he was reading when he was younger and so He used to read things like he used to read a lot of Romanticism a lot of British Romantic literature And then he grew out of this romantic phase that it was into something that’s a bit more hard to categorize but I was like, yeah, that’s interesting because those books are considered classics yet He was reading them as a teenager, but also those books are a special very Distinct general and they could be kind of classified as yes. They’re classics But they are classics that are perhaps a bit more suitable for younger people And so it’s interesting to see that in history. You’ve had classics that were perhaps not That being you know, especially written for younger people, but who naturally became Kind of like those YA even though they didn’t intend to and even though they are considered as classics now, so in I think British and American literature’s you could think of Lord of the Flies or The Catcher in the Rye for example, those books were not meant to be designed for kids or Teenagers or young adults, but quickly they have become sort of staples for this Sort of age group and I think that’s something interesting and when why it just happens in that way I do not see any problem with it because it’s something natural sort of almost organic that comes from an Age group that comes from a group of people who can recognize themselves perhaps in some sort of literature and it’s it’s actually beautiful I believe and Another thing that’s interesting is to see that there were a few exceptions like books that were kind of made. Yes for Children or for young adults, but who could also be enjoyed by adults take for example tales or take Fables or in France? We had this very huge big writer who is called La Fontaine and used to write those still stories for The kids in the in the royal family, right but you can still study them now and there is a moral to it and there is Some sort of poetry to it. There is some sort of symbolism to it and it really interrogate s– How we were writing at that time and all those things but it’s still something that kids in France Read and learn at school So it’s interesting to see that there was a time where even when he was kind of aimed at young people It still had some sort of literary quality that made it into classics. What I think is a bit the shame now is that it is as if you First a while. So honestly, I really Distinguish a bit like literature for children, which is obviously it has to be very specific and young adult fiction, right? What I think is sad now and a bit problematic is the way that it’s become a big market It’s actually really easy to get published if you want to write YA It actually sells a lot and if heavily represented on social media Which is something that I think also really bothers me. Is that whenever you go on YouTube for example on booktube ninety five percent of people That are making videos about books and about literature Talk about YA and they only talk about YA and here and there may be a few contemporary authors, but that’s it And when you hear about classics, it’s always the same classics. It’s always the same English Written classics and that’s it and it’s a big shame and I think this is mainly the issue with YA that I have it is that it is a market, and it is considered as a general for example As when it’s not even really a general because in YA you can have to stoke you can have romance. You can have thrillers. You’re gonna have any sort of Authorised actually but because it’s so important economically speaking and because it is something that’s so Very precisely made for an audience. I think it has become in general because you can open any sort of book romance thriller dystopian fantasy, whatever if it’s why you’re gonna know it as soon as you’re in the first sentences and I think that already is a bit of an issue and the other thing that really bothers me with it is that it seems to be the only thing that people read when they read YA and it seems to be the only thing they talk about when they make content about literature’s if they read YA and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Reading YA and even if I thought who cares you’re read, whatever you want. That’s just my opinion But like I don’t think there’s anything wrong with reading YA as long as you can read other things right As soon as you only read YA I think You’re not getting oh that’s gonna be so people are gonna hate me for things that but yes you are not Really getting introduced To literature you’re not I’m sorry to say it like that. That’s probably Gonna sound super pretentious to a lot of people but that’s honestly how I feel so I’m gonna be honest who cares. Um, another thing I really bothers me is that a lot of people say that YA is important because When you’re a teenager, you’re not supposed to read this and that book because you’re not gonna understand them fully. Yes You’re not gonna understand them fully. I remember reading Crime and punishment, what is name? What’s title in English? Dostoyevsky’s crime and punishment, I think When I was maybe 15 and of course, I did not understand Dostoyevsky’s work Properly but still I understood it with what I was able to understand at that age and that’s enough and that was a challenge to read that and challenges are what make you smarter more intelligent more Open to new things more open to new ways of seeing the world to new ways of writing to new ways of reading to new Mindsets and that’s super important. That’s definitely important So there is some sort of there is a very not some so there is a very big Positive effect and potential and Gain, that people get from reading classics even when they’re not fully Equipped and armed to understand them and it’s not only a question of age really if you I mean for me personally There are classics that even now if I read them and just read them. I’m not gonna get Maybe even half of the book Because classics are so dense that you actually have to make the effort to get what it is about by going to class by reading thesis by reading articles by maybe reading you know notes and Text by the author themselves, and maybe you need to read other books by the author to connect the 2 books together And then understand why it’s about but that’s the beauty of literature. That’s why literature is an art You know what? I mean? It’s not the book that you open one afternoon and you’re ready it so quickly that literature But that’s not all of literature. And I think it’s sad is that the only literature that you get and if YA Does not make you one reader the things I think it’s doing something wrong because personally when I read poetry I didn’t want to read poetry and prose and then when I read prose I’m like are we imagine if I could find a novel? That’s read that’s big and written so beautifully from start to end and then I get your read that. And when I read that maybe I pick up something in the novel that’s super interesting and that’s perhaps a big political or economical philosophical and then I go jump onto an essay and You know Noble maybe there is a reference to another author that I have never heard of and then I’m gonna read that author and That’s what’s beautiful about literature is that it’s a door or a window or any sort of opening to all the things and when I see that so many people are reading YA I only read YA I think Something’s wrong with it. I think it’s almost like It’s almost as if you couldn’t read only anything else because you’re so used to a certain pattern. You’re so used to repetitive Plots and repetitive characters and repetitive prose and styles because style is crucial in literature in my opinion another thing that kind of bothers me is a lot of people will say that why is interesting because it features a lot of diversity you have queerness you have People of color and you have disabilities and all those things represented in literature that’s amazing. I absolutely love that As I said, I am NOT against YA. I’m just very confused like Confused puzzled. I don’t know what adjective I could use By the way, people that are over YA age still read YA and read only that Because yes, it’s amazing to have diversity but you have diversity in classics and the simple fact that you have this as an argument against reading classics and towards reading YA Shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about. There is a lot of queerness in classics There are a lot of classics that have been written by people of color by women and There are a lot of classics that tackle the idea of classes of privileges of phrase of colonialism Of hetero normativity a lot of them actually and what’s a shame is that people that are apparently so into diversity they refuse to give some classics that are not so well known a chance and By doing that you refuse those people who in much harder times to get published and much how the times to write I mean risks a lot sometimes to write this books when you are a woman and You’re writing perhaps in the 19th century and your write about lesbianism for example or homosexuality or when you’re a man or when you’re a person of color and you try to go against the white supremacy I think your work Deserves to be read and I mean yes by saying that it’s a bit of a tricky argument because you can’t read everything for sure but like just turning your back on classics because they are not true that they’re not diverse enough and Because they are boring and always the same and why I bring some novelty I think it really shows a lack of knowledge in literature and it’s a bit It’s a it’s a shame. It’s a shame. It’s just a shame really to not open yourself to others lead to other kind of literature’s So, yeah I think I’m gonna stop now because I mean I have other things to say actually I have a lot of things to say but Yeah, I think I have developed a few points already video and I’d be really interested in knowing what you guys think about that Please as I said do not feel offended by anything that I said It’s just my opinion and in the end who cares about what I think you know No one cares about what I think I’m just sharing my opinion because it’s interesting to discuss and because a lot of people have asked But you know If I said something that you know, you disagree with that’s fine. That’s just just okay I hope that most of you can still take something from it and I’ll see you soon. Oh, yes, by the way, I asked you guys on Instagram What you thought of why if you were reading YA and all the different things? So if you want to exchange with me on certain topics feel free to follow me on Instagram and on Twitter and If you want to support the channel and help me produce more videos and still You know have a lot of content out there You can support me with $1 a month on patreon and it actually really really helps. So, thank you so much for watching I hope you’re doing amazingly well, and I’ll see you soon. Bye

100 Replies to “Why I don’t read young adult fiction (YA) – a discussion

  1. Yeah classics are indispensable because not only they tell us about a given era and its culture but they also deal with interesting themes in subtle ways; they leave room for interpretation and make us think. What i also like about them is reading other people's analyses and try to look at them in different ways, so for me it's this multifaceted feature that characterises them and the historical and ideological background against which they are written that appeal to me. I'm curently reading Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and it's so much fun. Regards 😉

  2. Hello ! Je voulais juste signaler qu'on étudie la littérature jeunesse (YA, album, romans ados et tout le toutim) à l'université… Et même à l'Ecole normale supérieure, où j'étais et où nous avions d'ailleurs organisé un séminaire portant sur la littérature jeunesse et le genre. C'est une littérature riche et pleine de surprise, extrêmement complexe et je trouve que ton approche réductrice et peu informée. Je suis personnellement une grande dévoreuse de romans et fictions, et j'ai évidemment éclusé mon comptant de littérature canonique, en raison de mon parcours académique mais aussi par goût. Dire que le canon littéraire, qui exclue la littérature jeunesse, se base sur une qualité d'écriture comme motif discriminant (et si la litté jeunesse n'y figure pas, c'est donc bien qu'elle est nécessairement "moins bien écrite", "moins intéressante", "moins profonde"), c'est franchement méconnaître l'histoire du canon et ses enjeux. Le canon est établi par une certaine catégorie de personnes bien particulières (notamment les universitaires, qui sont en majorité des hommes blancs d'un certain age et d'un certain capital culturel), je suis sûre que je ne t'apprends rien. La littérature qu'ils choisissent de valoriser leur ressemble, et permet aussi de créer une culture d'élite. Dès lors, le reste devient de la para-littérature, une sous-littérature qui sert à amuser, distraire, au mieux, mais qui n'est en aucun cas de l'art. Lisez de la littérature jeunesse, renseignez-vous ! Vous serez surpris-e-s de découvrir ses spécificités formidables : car cette différence de statut et cette absence de légitimisation apporte aussi une dimension politique et subversive à la littérature de jeunesse, qui peut se permettre d’inventer, de dénoncer, d’innover, loin des instances de canonisation normalisantes.

    Si tu veux des titres qui correspondent à tes goûts (que je commence à connaître), je suis disponible pour t'en donner !

  3. Your thoughts on classics would highly interest me. =)
    YA is simply not litterature (I see what you mean), but what is litterature? How do you define which books go into it?

    By the way do you know/like the vlogbrothers' videos? I discovered other things John Green did and was very much surprised. I mean this channel quickly became one of my favourites. ^^

  4. Hi Antastesia,

    Thank you for all your valid points. I, like you, don't read YA, for similar reasons. I don't think I ever have. I loved Harry Potter as a kid (still do!), and as an adult but I don't consider it YA but children's literature. I'm not a voracious reader nor do I read as widely as you, although I am making efforts to read more.

    One thing I would say is that reading anything is almost always better than not reading at all. It will enrich your vocabulary, your expression and your imagination.
    When I was a kid I felt like I was sociaized into not reading comic books because it was "not serious".
    No one really stopped me from reading comic books, but I felt like there was a social stigma to it perpetrated mostly by adults.

    It's possible I internalized a few negative comments and blew it out of proportion. Nevertheless it prevented me from reading comics. Although I owned comics, and had access to many at my school library, I rarely read them. And it's one of my biggest regrets because I noticed that so many great writers and directors were inspired by comics and stories they read as children.

    This made me come to the conclusion that if you don't feed your imagination as a child by reading a ton, and allowing yourself to be creative, it's almost too late when you start as an adult because you don't have a deep well of inspiration that most people acquire young through the books and comics they read in childhood. Again I am hope I am wrong on this. Nevertheless I've decided to read children's classics now.

    I have a question for you in regards to children's literature. Do you agree with the following C.S. Lewis quote:

    ”A children’s story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children’s story in the slightest.”

    And would you say the same thing about YA?

  5. YA can be a 'gateway drug' into better fiction for many teens. It gets them hooked and as they get older, they'll read some of the classics. So it's a good thing. Many teens would be put off reading by something like Crime & Punishment because they'd get frustrated and bored. But once they've read a bit more widely and had more experience of the world, they'll get it. It's analogous to the way that some people are put off reading or watching Shakespeare by the way it's taught in schools. You really need to be older to appreciate it fully, but many people never go back to it. Which is quite a tragedy.

  6. Agreed with everything you said in this video, especially about classics. Personally the reason that I don't read YA is because the vast majority of books are very similar in terms of the story which is: Girl is in trouble, Girl meets boy, Boy helps girl somehow, Girl falls in love with boy, happy romance ending. More so it is the girl is in trouble than the boy too, which is VERY boring in my opinion.
    Please make a video about classic literature. 🙂

  7. I whole heartedly agree with that feeling of condescendense that some YA works leave you with nowadays. I believe YA such as hunger games, Harry Potter and other lovely books that have come out not that long ago are great for introducing to other great works that are highly complex and returning to them for nostalgia. But the way certain easily marketable books, written within the span of a couple of months seem to talk down to their young but extremely capable audience is insulting. Children and teenagers are young, not stupid, and there's so much potential within them that they're not even aware of and needs to be nurtured, and that is constantly forgotten when faced with the possibility of making easy money out of a copy paste, washed out book. YA could be great if only it weren't so "trendy" and easy to sell

  8. Vidéo super intéressante, merci !
    J’ai 15 ans et il y a quelques années, j’ai eu une énorme période où je lisais du young-adult. Et puis après, le vide. Sûrement par manque de temps et peut-être d’envie également, mais j’ai eu beaucoup de mal à me remettre à la lecture et en particulier au young-adult, car il ne m’apportait peut-être plus assez. Cependant, je voulais lire beaucoup plus de classiques mais cela m’était difficile, car je voyais uniquement leur complexité et le fait que « je n’allais pas y arriver ». En effet, comme toi, je pense qu’il y a une marche entre le young-adult et les classiques, évidemment en premier lieu parce que ce n’est pas fait pour le même public, mais il n’empêche, il est vrai, en ne lisant que du YA (malgré les « sous-genres » qui existent), on ne sait pas ce qu’est la littérature dans son entièreté. Malgré cela, le YA me semble un passage nécessaire pour aller vers tout ce qui est plus complexe, les classiques donc. Maintenant, j’essaie de lire un peu plus de classiques même si ce n’est pas évident. Mais la richesse de ces lectures m’impressionnent : Antigone de Anouilh, que j’ai étudiée en classe de 3e, m’a tout simplement époustouflée ! Des YA qui m’ont autant apporté, m’ont amenée à me poser autant de questions, il y en a peu (je ne vais pas dire qu’il n’y en a pas eu, il y a de très bons YA !)
    Après, j’imagine que nous n’avons pas tous le même but. Lire n’est pas la même chose chez tout le monde, on ne recherche pas tous une forme de « culture » dans les livres, même s’ils en sont la représentation. Parfois, chez certaines personnes, lire est juste synonyme de détente. Après, si dans la lecture on recherche une forme de dépassement de soi, une manière de se cultiver, d’en apprendre plus sur le monde, de se bâtir une opinion etc… alors oui, ne lire que des YA n’est peut-être pas la solution.

  9. Je me disais justement cette semaine que tes videos sur les livres etaient mille fois mieux que toutes les chaines booktube qui sont d'une nullité terrible (sauf quelques rares exceptions) et ils ne parlent que de bouquins hallucinants comme outlander etc…… impossible de trouver une chaine booktube adulte, qui parle de bouquins diversifiés, sauf toi et Solange te parle quand elle en parle.

  10. The reasons you meantion at 15:10 actually play a huge part in my decision making when choosing to read or not of the “classicals”.
    I remember so well how essential was the literature teacher when I was in school, how I thought “thank god I have this amazing teacher here that knows so so much about literature and all the historic / cultural / social / artistic context of this book!” I could never get from the book by reading it alone what I got from it with the teacher. I recently was going to finally buy Crime and Punishment but instead I bought something more actual because I knew that without a mini teacher I would probably just be “wasting” great literature…
    oh well… But I’ll have to get over that because I’m not going to have any more literature teachers for the rest of my life…

  11. I totally get your points. The issue with Young Adult Fiction is that a lot of people tend to get stuck in the "genre". Italo Calvino wrote a beautiful essay called "Why read the classics?" that cross my mind whenever someone argues 'against classics'. For those who haven't read, the essay was published in a book of the same title. Thanks!

  12. Je me reconnais totalement et je suis tout à fait d'accord !!! Très intéressant et c'est génial que tu ai pu filmer cette vidéo et d'en avoir le courage !! Gros bisous et tout mon soutien ( j'en garde un peu pour moi quand même parce que demain bac blanc de philo et de physique chimie !)

  13. Super vidéo merci !
    Je suis d'accord avec toi sur les choses que tu dit dans la vidéo mais j'ai comme un sorte de peur qui peut paraître un peu stupide : quand je lit un livre jeunesse, je pars tjr avec cet a priori qu'il sera moins profond, moins bien écrit et intéressant qu'un classique où qu'un livre plus "reconnu". Par conséquent, je me demande si ce biai n'influence parfois pas mon avis d'autant plus que je n'ai pas de grandes connaissances en littérature et que cela rend mon avis moins objectif et construit.

    Voilà commentaire super inutile déso

  14. First of all, I really feel you. I used to read YA as a teenager, and I still really love and appreciate John Green, I think his books have quite a lot to say. But classics are a whole another world, and after reading Hesse, Kafka, Camus, etc, I simply cannot go back. The best classics have a lot of philosophy in them and include so many layers, which YA usually does not. But! One very important thing I do love about current YA is REPRESENTATION! I loved reading YA with LGBT+ characters and I think it gives a lot of confidence to young people, there are very few classics with queer characters and it usually does not end well for them.

  15. You don't have to excuse yourself and say that your opinion about this doesn't matter (just to not trigger some people) – because your opinion I guess it matters for people who follow you here.

  16. Coucou dans quelle catégorie est-ce que tu met Amélie Nothomb ?? J’adore vraiment ses livres parce que je trouve qu’ils sont toujours un peu fous et drôles et notamment ses romans biographiques sur le Japon,… et j’aime aussi bcp Murakami pour les mêmes raisons mais j’ai que 18 ans et j’avoue ne pas vraiment savoir si c’est de la littérature « sérieuse » ou pas 😂

  17. Hi ! I would love to watch a video on diversity in classics. I've hated every classic book I've read (V.Hugo, Jules Vernes, Rousseau, La Fontaine, Mary Shelly, Fitzgerald, Jane Austen, Dickens etc.) but I'm sure there must be some lesser known classics that I'd like. I love reading about queer / disabled / POC characters so I'm open to recommendations 🙂

  18. 10'30 by knowing history! Not enough people are interested in History when they read classics. In my opinion you just can't truly understand any classic if you only have a few ideas on what happened during the author's century… History and Litterature are inseparable

  19. I know that I've read some YA. I don't recall any of it though. I hope at least I got some relaxation out of it .. but can't remember that either.

  20. Thank you for talking about this! I find it difficult to find authentic channels that discuss books/life honestly and this is why I look forward to your presence. I would love if you could create a video discussing classics: recommendations (Europe, Middle East, Asia, Latin), lessons you've learned, your thoughts on why classics are perceived as intimidating, and your suggestions on analysis process to get the most out of the reading experience. Do you think that we try to over-analyze classic literature/poetry and therefore it leaves an overwhelming feeling or do you think it's a generational difference in language style, both, or more? Also, after studying literature and becoming a teacher, do you see a difference in your reading experience and how has it changed/developed? Thanks again! Sending my love <3

  21. I get the appeal of YA, but I do not understand why someone would read only that when there is so much more out there! Are they not even curious?? The classics I've read have enriched my life in tremendous ways.

  22. Salut, ta vidéo était très intéressante ! Personnellement, j'ai 23 ans et je lis encore pas mal de livres qu'on pourrait qualifier de "young adult". En fait, durant mon adolescence, je n'en ai pratiquement pas lu car j'avais beaucoup de livres à lire pour l'école (j"étais en filière scientifique pourtant), qui étaient le plus souvent des classiques. Bien que ça ait détourné plusieurs de mes copains de la lecture, je suis tout à fait d'accord qu'il faut lire des classiques lorsqu'on est jeune (tant que ça reste des classiques abordables). Ce qui m'a finalement le plus dérangé à ce moment-là c'était le fait que les livres étaient imposés, et à côté je n'avais pratiquement pas le temps de lire pour moi.

    Donc à 18 ans, quand je suis sortie de l'école secondaire, je me suis de suite tournée vers des livres qui m'attiraient plus et j'ai passé un ou deux ans à ne lire pratiquement que ça. Après, tous les livres de ce genre ne se valent pas : il y a des pépites, comme des livres très mal écrits et sans aucun intérêt. Je pense que j'aime encore lire du young adult à mon âge (enfin je ne suis pas si vieille que ça 😉 ) parce que ça me fait replonger dans mon adolescence (j'ai beaucoup aimé cette période de ma vie) ou dans d'autres mondes (j'adore le fantasy et la science-fiction). Depuis quelques années, je recommence à incorporer d'autres genres dans ce que je lis, par exemple des livres sur le véganisme, la nutrition, le féminisme … et aussi des classiques (en partie grâce à ta chaîne, tu m'as donné envie de découvrir Flaubert). Et je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi sur le fait que le young adult monopolise les médias et réseaux sociaux, ça ne donne pas envie aux lecteurs de sortir de leur zone de confort, c'est dommage.

  23. Just on the point you mentioned about booktube being overrun by YA, as you said, it’s highly marketable and popular, why wouldn’t people take advantage of that? Probably why the other genres aren’t as prominent online… the audience online (on this platform mostly) would fit that age group as well. So they get stuck in it, because they’re not being introduced to other genres.

  24. I definitely get your points. And from your perspective I can understand why you are kind of getting frustrated by YA. I agree with the marketing aspect a lot and that's definitely something that has been bothering me. On the other hand though you can't really blame most people for not being into literature as you are and put as much "effort" into it. I think the reality is that people don't want to invest that much energy and time which I think is understandable. I find it really interesting that thinking back to my school years when we had to read and analize the sh*t out of classics, I absolutely hated it. It bored me so much. So yeah I think it might has a lot to do with how education/school promotes and works with classics.

  25. Super interesting, as always ❤️ I do think however than young adult fiction can be a way for poeple (teenagers especially) to enter literature, it’s a first and easy contact with it and then it opens to more
    I know that this type of literature got me into reading, and then the more I read it the more I wanted to read and the more I realized all of it was pretty bad, not very well written etc…
    So I turned myself towards« better » literature, and later with my studies, towards classics ❤️

  26. video series idea: weekly/monthly(?) book recommendations of "classics" with an interesting theme.: diversity, colonialism, feminism etc etc.
    Something like "So you liked [enter YA novel] and you want to read more about [enter a theme], how about reading [a classic with said theme]". Viewers could suggest the themes they're interested in.
    Anyhow, great video. bisous x

  27. I think you're looking at this from a single perspective. You are someone who lives for literature, and you care deeply about learning every detail there is to know about literature. As a teacher and someone who is on their way to obtaining a phd, you are very different from the average person reading fiction, and especially YA. Some people read because they care about the characters and the stories. They don't care about the morals behind the character's choices, or how this text will affect the world in 20 years. They only care about the relationships in the books, the story surrounding the characters, and the t-shirts they can buy that proves they are fans. Which is totally fine. You're reading for a totally different reason than what most people who read YA are. You read to learn. They read to escape their own lives, and to experience a different world within the book for the sake of it. I think YA readers are mostly fans of the authors and the characters create. And I think they are more so into sharing an experience with friends they wouldn't have otherwise, whereas someone like you values intent, morality, definition, and world impact. Both forms of reading are fine in my opinion. I guess it comes down to purely entertainment vs knowledge. There's a little bit of both in either choice, but YA is almost all entertainment whereas classics and other literature is largely knowledge with a healthy dose of entertainment. But this is just how I see it.

  28. the fact that almost every booktuber talks exclusively about YA is the reason why I watch your videos (when I can understand them, that is haha). You discuss interesting and diverse books. Thanks to you, I'm browsing the middle eastern, french, and classic sections of the libraries

  29. moi contrairement à toi, je n'aime pas les classiques surtout classiques contemplatifs qui m'ennuient, les longues descriptions m'ennuient et le langage d'un autre temps je ne le comprends pas je préfère les contemporains, les young adult contemporains, les polars et thrillers et je trouve au contraire plus complexes et intéressants les thrillers, polars, contemporains

  30. I don't read YA as an adult because I never read it in my childhood. I grew up homeschooled in a strict household and I was not even aloud to read things like Harry Potter. So my literary upbringing has been based on classics, the very old ones at that. My grandfather gave me his classic poetry collection and his old copy of Platos complete works before he died and so I latched on to those and loved them. I've only been branching out and reading more contemporary and nonfiction works in the past few years. I can verbally recite Dante Alighieri at will, which makes for a good party trick, but I can't tell you the first thing about John Green 🤷‍♀️
    However, I don't think there's anything wrong with YA. My best friend reads it but she treats it like a form of media, it's exciting and entertaining for her. But, I don't really read books for that purpose. Maybe I'm just assuming but I feel like people who exclusively read YA, use reading and literature for a different purposes or to meet a different need than people who read classics, modern adult works, and/or nonfiction.

  31. Yeah, regarding booktube, its mostly people reveiwing and fantastic. And it is not what I like to read, i prefer something more on the "real life" style.

  32. I’ve tried to re-read YA books that I used to love as a teenager but I can’t relate anymore. I mostly just read literary fiction nowadays.

  33. Have you ever read THE MASTER AND MARGARITA? It was written by a Russian and recommended to me by an Israeli. Let me know if you have and what you think.

  34. Have you read This Earth of Mankind? Random foreign literature recommendation.

    I totally agree with you. I've read 1 YA series in the last year and it was just for fun. I always wonder about people's mind sets who are adults but are so fascinated reading about teenagers. I'd much rather read about late 20-40 age group. I will admit I read fantasy a lot, but I'm really picky about good writing so only a few authors with long series. Have you tried any fantasy/scifi? I also love classics though, and certain authors like Murakami.

    Not to mention YA authors have an easier time writing than people who write…"literary" novels, I guess you could call it. Like you said, you can tell from the first sentences if it is YA and I think it's because it's not good writing most of the time. I'm so glad you talk about classics, I don't know any other booktubers who do except Lucythereader.

  35. I don’t watch a lot of booktube and I’m sort of removed from the whole YA debate but what you’re saying resonates with me a lot in terms of poetry, namely the whole rupi kaur phenomenon.

  36. je suis passée par ne phase où j'ai lu beaucoup de YA, voir seulement de la YA, et ça m'as donné l'envie de travailler dans le monde du livre. Maintenant je suis en fac de lettres et j'adore lire des classiques, mais il y a 3 ans ce n'était pas mon cas. La YA peut être un tremplin vers d'autres littératures.

  37. Bonjour
    dommage que je pige rien à l'anglais, parce que malgré tout ce qui nous différencie (l'âge, le lieu et la façon de vivre, la vision du monde et la façon de l'aborder…) j'aime bien regarder tes vidéos…

  38. Salut ! Je trouve ta vidéo très intéressante bien que je ne partage pas toujours ton opinion et c'est pourquoi je voudrais réagir.
    La lecture est mon principal loisir, en parallèle je suis étudiante en Master FLE et j'ai beaucoup de lectures scientifiques à faire dans le cadre de mes cours, avant cela, j'étais en licence d'anglais et j'avais bien entendu des cours de littérature, donc quand je lis pour le "plaisir" j'aime me pencher sur des livres plus faciles d'accès (même si j'aime toujours lire des livres avec des messages forts, je vais plutôt vers des livres qui se liront rapidement puisque je n'ai pas beaucoup de temps à y consacrer) lors de mes années licence j'ai adoré les cours de littérature, écrire des dossiers de recherche etc, mais ce n'est pas la partie de lecture du classique qui m'a le plus plu, c'est son analyse, et sans elle je n'aurais pas pu apprécier certains livres à leur juste valeur, c'est pourquoi j'ai plus de mal à me tourner vers les classiques.
    Je pense que le fait que tu "target" le genre YA n'est pas entièrement juste.. Il y a des YA qui abordent des sujets difficiles (je pense à l'autrice irlandaise Louise O'Neil qui fait un fabuleux travail de sensibilisation au féminisme auprès de ce public), qui ont une plume travaillée (notre nationale Christelle Dabos), simplement comme tu le dis c'est destiné à un public plus jeune donc c'est abordé différemment. Je lis souvent du YA (sélectionné méticuleusement, car les livres qui ont toujours les mêmes patterns comme tu dis ne m'intéressent pas non plus) car j'aime voir la manière dont certains sujets peuvent être traités avec des ados puisque c'est un public qui m'intéresse particulièrement. D'un autre côté, penses tu que lire des livres Hugo roman, du Marc Levy ou autres auteurs commerciaux valent mieux que de lire certains excellents YA sous principe que l'âge ciblé correspond ? Comme tu le dis il y a, au même titre que dans la littérature adulte, différents genres.
    J'attends ta réponse car ton avis m'intéresse beaucoup
    Merci pour tes vidéos, je te souhaite une bonne journée 🙂

  39. pareil, ayant envie de nouvelles lectures je suis allée voir du côté des booktubers, et j'ai aussi été étonnée – et déçue – que le principal genre mis en avant c'était ce type de littérature. j'en ai lu il y a quelques années, ils n'étaient pas mauvais, mais je ne comprends pas non plus comment on peut lire que ça. Il y a un tel manque de profondeur, de et de complexité tant au niveau du style que du contenu. Du coup, je me suis tournée (en plus de ta chaîne et de celle de Solange te parle avec ses bilans cul) vers des chaînes anglophones.

  40. Pour une autre perspective, je recommande la vidéo de Leena Norms, « isn’t it a shame people like stupid books? ».

  41. Have you read more political YA- like 'the hate you give,' I quite enjoyed that and 'the outsiders' which I older obviously but written by a teenager and definitely YA. There are definitely classics that I think lack depth and there's no classification along YA/classics/adult or even fantasy/dystopia/genres in general that can be definitive. i.e. we can't say 'this is not a deep genre' about anything because really what we need is diversity in reading- we don't know what novels will be considered classics today (probably ASOIAF, maybe even HP?? who knows). I read classics, or more accurately, 'dense' novels, but I also get tired of them and I like reading political YAs- either dystopias or present-day. I also think saying that representation in classics is even remotely comparable to the representation in YA is dishonest. I think it's important to read diverse representations in classics as well and it teaches a lot and I connect a lot to queer characters particularly but also anyone who seems to have my learning disability but I have to read YA to see myself represented as a trans person. If you know of a novel in French, English or Spanish or translated into those that is a classic and shows a transgender person going through transition (social transition even) I would be more than happy to read it. For the moment I like deep YA, cruisy but political YA and deep classics. that's my reading pool +ASOIAF whenever a new book comes out.

  42. I read YA for a short time, in my early teens. Sometime around 14/15, it just become to boring and repetetive to me. That was, ironically, the time Harry Potter became really popular (I'm in my early 30s) – which I had considered books for the 10-12 age group even while I read YA. Most people read for casual entertainment, much like watching TV. Definitely not to learn or appreciate the writer. Adults reading YA is no worse or better than "chic lit" for women (so much is wrong with the name of that genre!). At least they read at all. I was very happy to find booktube exists, for about an hour, when I realised all these people read is YA.

  43. YA has a lot of really heavy sex scenes now too. I recently read a court of thorns and roses series and I was like whoa this is YA?!

  44. Sooo true noticed that when two years ago I tried looking for booktubers who review valuable contemporary/reportage/classic literature and I couldn’t find anyone because everyone was reviewing YA…

  45. I really want to start reading classics but I don’t know where to start 😅 I’ve been reading YA since I was a kid and never really grown out of it..

  46. I've steadily been growing dissatisfied with YA. Funny thing is my interest in children's and middle grade has increased mostly because I am breaking into classic lit and am finding interesting themes in kids books that you just don't find in YA. Which is weird…

  47. I totally agree with a lot of this. I'm 20 and I still read YA from time to time, but it tends to be just skim-reading a whole book in one day for the sake of light entertainment. Importantly, the enjoyment only lasts while I'm actually reading it and is purely plot-based – there's nothing interesting stylistically and it doesn't inspire a lot of deeper thought or questions afterwards. But if that's all you want out of the reading experience then there's nothing wrong with that! There can be a kind of elitist attitude to reading that it should always be a deep, meaningful "academic" experience and this can discourage people from reading at all. I know intelligent people who have only ever read the books they studied in school because they have never seen reading as a leisure activity.

    As a child I also read lots of classics, but I was lucky enough not to feel intimidated by not understanding everything I read – I would happily just skip over it and not worry about it. A lot of other people don't have that same confidence, which can make reading anything above YA level feel like a chore and take all the enjoyment out of reading the classics. A lot of my peers at school thought I must be super smart for being able to read them, mistakenly thinking it meant I understood everything, when in actual fact all it meant was that I could put aside my ignorance to enjoy what I could understand. I think it's important for people to feel free to read what they enjoy (even if it's hard to understand why they enjoy it!) and not feel like they have to read only certain books, otherwise they just don't read at all.

  48. Ta vidéo est intéressante, bien que j'ai un avis moins tranché que le tien sur la question. Comme dit un autre commentaire, ça dépend surtout de l'objectif qu'on recherche en lisant : se divertir ? Apprendre ? Se remettre en question en ouvrant son esprit ?

    Je te rejoins sur une chose : les chaînes Booktube sont composées majoritairement de YA, voire de littérature jeunesse et de SFFF. On nous dit "c'est pas vrai, il y a une grande diversité de lecteurs, il faut juste chercher", oui, mais le voilà le problème : il faut chercher, et souvent longtemps. Pour du YA, t'as pas besoin de chercher vraiment, tu trouves ton bonheur tout de suite. Après, c'est pas grave, à l'exception de quelques chaînes, Booktube n'est pas fait pour moi et puis je vais ailleurs (sur les blogs par exemple). Mais il faut arrêter l'hypocrisie ambiante : OUI, on trouve une majorité de chaînes qui parlent de YA.

  49. I think people read for different reasons. Saying young adult shouldn't be read once you've passed a certain maturity is maybe normal for you who wants to read things you can analyse but some people read for distraction, for fun, also to find ourselves in the characters and YA books often represent so much better minorities than other books. We find ourselves and that feeling is beautiful. We don't all read to aanalyse. There is quality to books that you don't consider classics, quality in the way it makes us feel good. It can be entertainment. Maybe it's not the only entertainment you want, but if we like that kind of entertainment then why tell us that we should change what makes us happy?

  50. 100% agree with you! Thank you for posting this. It's a shame to me that so many people these days want only to be entertained instead of exploring the vastness of humanity, our emotions, philosophies, the human experience in general. It's often hard for me to talk about books with people because they have only read what is popular and easy, which are books that I just cannot get into; they really don't hold my interest at all. Glad there are a few of us out there who just can't can't into the YA genre.

  51. I read Dostoevsky a little bit earlier than I should have. I'm sure there are sophisticated 18-19 year old minds that would be able to carry the weight of the ideas presented in those kinds of books, but I felt like the majority of the "wisdom" I acquired during that time was kind of useless to me. I wasn't deep enough to assimilate that information in any meaningful way. The ideas were interesting and abstract, but they were like artificial limbs on my body: it was someone else's lived wisdom but it wasn't mine. (Schopenhauer warned about this.)

    I think the appeal of YA is in the fact that the characters in those novels are trying to come to terms with "themselves". The pursuit of personal truth is perhaps the only reliable truth we can aspire to. I don't think that's something that you necessarily outgrow. It just comes packaged differently in YA.

    So sometimes I read a little Plato, sometimes I read a little Nick Hornby. I'm in no hurry to grow up.

  52. Je pense exactement comme toi , la young adult quoiqu'on en dise n'est pas très développée dans le style et reste très en surface, c'est juste objectif de dire ca bien sur il y a des exceptions comme toujours mais bon….Et je trouve aussi dommage que ceux qui ne jurent que par ca en pensant ne pas aimer les classiques n'essaient pas tout simplement… mais je pense qu'ils lisent pour " décompresser" et donc ne veulent pas faire cet effort intellectuel. Moi certains bouquins ( des classiques aussi ) ont carrément changé ma vie , m'ont fait fait grandir intellectuellement, m'ont ouvert sur d'autres cultures et modes de pensées, m'ont permis de voir ce que les gens pensaient, faisaient à une certaine époque. Et je ne suis pas d'accord avec certains commentaires qui disent qu'on est pas tous obligé d'analyser un livre quand on lit, elle ne dit pas ca et moi quand je lis un classique je ne l'analyse pas je prends juste du plaisir à lire une écriture aussi belle et de m'émerger dans une histoire aussi riche. Ca ne veut pas dire que tous les classiques sont biens/bons ou intouchables, ca rejoint ta vidéo des classiques que tu n'aimes pas, on en a tous.
    Par contre ils restent objectivement mieux écrits et plus profonds dans tous les sens du terme c'est aussi mon avis j'ai assez lu dans ma vie dans toutes les catégories et tous les genres pour en être sûre !
    Mais je tenais à dire que j'ai une place dans mon coeur autant pour Zola, Hugo , Camus que Roald Dahl ou encore R.L Stine ( auteur des chairs de poule ) ou encore Pullman qui sont pour le coup de très bon auteurs pour enfants et qui m'ont poussé à lire encore plus et par la suite à lire plein de classiques. Je n'ai donc pas le même parcours que toi mais je pense comme toi ! Et aujourd'hui je ne lirais plus de la jeunesse/enfant mais il m'arrive de m'y replonger par nostalgie 🙂

  53. Cc antastesia tu pourrais mettre des sous titres français et anglais j’ai beaucoup t’es vidéo elle m’aide à apprendre l’anglais c’est parce que je dois à chaque fois couper la vidéo et allez sur Google traduction

  54. Ce que je trouve dommage, c'est qu'on oppose beaucoup trop frontalement la littérature contemporaine valorisée par les universitaires et les milieux élitistes et la littérature plus populaire. Avant de faire mon master de Création littéraire, je ne savais même pas que la littérature contemporaine existait ! Je ne connaissais que les classiques, et les autres livres qui pouvaient arriver à ma porter étaient essentiellement des livres de YA ou en tous cas des livres beaucoup mis en avant par les médias mainstream.
    Cette scission fait :
    – qu'on passe difficilement d'une littérature à l'autre
    – que les livres extrêmement riches, très bien écrits, novateurs, subversifs, etc. qu'on peut trouver dans la littérature populaire ne sont pas mis en avant, ni par les médias mainstream, ni par les universitaires. Et qu'ils ne sont parfois même pas publiés, car ils ne rentrent dans aucune case.
    Si les deux littératures se mélangeaient plus, elles auraient beaucoup à s'apporter et justement, on pourrait très bien lire du YA et des classiques sans problème. La YA pourrait mieux jouer son rôle d'introduction à la lecture en ouvrant à plein d'autres choses.
    Enfin voilà, je sais pas si ce que je dis est clair, ça me paraît très mal argumenté xD
    Mais en gros j'ai adoré tout ce que j'ai découvert en littérature contemporaine et je trouve dommage de ne pas être tombée là-dessus plus tôt. Je crois aussi que je pensais que cette littérature n'était pas à ma portée parce que je n'étudiais pas la littérature, ça montre bien que le côté élitiste la dessert, car en réalité elle peut être accessible à n'importe qui : comme tu le dis, peu importe que tout le monde ne puisse peut-être pas tout saisir d'une oeuvre complexe (y a-t-il quelqu'un qui en est réellement capable ? Même l'auteur n'a pas conscience de tout ce qu'il met en jeu !), chacun peut saisir ce qui est à sa portée et ainsi ouvrir sa pensée. Du coup, c'est pour ça que j'aimerais que la littérature contemporaine soit plus accessible, mais pour cela il faudrait que les milieux qui la mettent en avant s'ouvrent aussi à la littérature populaire pour qu'il n'y ait plus cette espèce de mur entre les deux.
    Et par exemple, le fait qu'une youtubeuse comme toi parle de littérature contemporaine, et ben c'est chouette ! Ça la rend plus accessible 🙂 ! Et c'est sûr que si plus de booktubeuses le faisaient, ça serait chouette aussi 🙂 !

  55. Emy, I agree with you in so many things. I think that it could be interesting if you make a video on the kind of contemporary books that you read 🙂

  56. I agree with a lot of what you said about YA being probably the most marketing prone part of publishing (so there's a lot of repetitive plots and hastily written sequels) but just as it might be "sad" to read only or primarily YA as an adult I think it's also pretty limiting to read mostly classics and ignore all the beautiful literary qualities and thoughts that are present in books that haven't been labeled thus.

  57. I have adult friends in their 30s who read Max (a YA book by Sarah Cohen-Scali, ) and raved about it. I still can't fathom why they wouldn't rather read a book about the Lebensborn program. They prefer a watered-down version of it. It's sad.

  58. I also am truly puzzled how someone who has read YA for a while can go on reading within it. There's something lazy going on if you're not aching to discover something new and different and better.

  59. C'est ça, cette littérature manque de profondeur. Ou ses thèmes ne nous intéressent plus lorsque nous sommes adultes, à moins d'être nostalgiques de notre jeunesse peut-être ?

  60. Well, I would say I agree with you, but not for everything you said. I'm 17 and I read YA and classics and other things, and I definitely agree with you about the fact that YA is really… Repetitive ? I mean, the plots are pretty much always the same. But I still like it, sometimes I like reading something cliché that ends well and everything. But I think the problem with YA is not just that people only read that, I think the problem isn't only with YA itself, it's with the overrepresentation (I actually don't know if this word exists) of it. Because honestly I started reading classics because someone convinced me that I was missing something by not doing it, but I don't think I would have done it myself. So the problem with YA is that there is YA like everywhere, and it's more enhanced than classics. Here is the issue. And by the way, I don't think (but that's another discussion) that literature at school makes children or teenagers want to read classics by themselves… But it might depend on what teacher you got and everything, I don't know.

  61. Je ne sais pas quoi penser de ta video parce qu'en un sens je suis d'accord mais en même temps pas d'accord. Déjà, un détail mais je trouve ça un peu dommage de juger sur des extraits, c'est comme juger un film sur sa bande annonce. Bref…
    Personnellement je lis beaucoup de YA et je sais que ce n'est pas de la grande littérature et en fait… I don't care 😀 Je lis pour me détendre et franchement les "classiques" ce n'est pas ce qui va me détendre (même ceux que j'ai adorés). Bien sûr c'est mon goût personnel, parce que je pense que j'ai une approche de la lecture très différente de la tienne et c'est comme ça, et je n'irai pas juger les gens qui ne lisent autres chose…

    Ensuite, personnellement, j'aime voir tous ces jeunes booktubers qui lisent énormément. Oui beaucoup ne lisent que du YA (même si le genre est assez vaste et que j'en vois beaucoup qui lisent des choses très différentes d'un livre à l'autre) et donc… et alors ? Le principal n'est-il pas de lire plutôt que de lire des "classics" ?
    Je suis d'accord que c'est bien d'élargir ces horizons, d'essayer d'autres styles, d'autres genres, ne serait-ce que pour avoir un regard plus critique sur certaines lectures. Mais je crois fermement que la lecture doit rester un plaisir. Quand j'étais plus jeune j'avais beaucoup plus de mal à lire, parce qu'on me faisait lire des choses que je n'aimais pas, soit à l'école, soit mes parents et je trouve ça dommage au final. Mais une fois que ce sera un plaisir les gens vont essayer d'autres choses et ça leur plaira ou ça ne leur plaira pas et ils reviendront au YA ou ils essaieront autre chose et ce n'est pas grave.

    Enfin, je ne comprends pas trop cette dichotomie voir gueguerre que je vois de temps en temps entre YA versus Classics… Déjà les 2 regroupent beaucoup de genres différents. Moi qui aiment beaucoup les dystopies, je vais adorer lire Hunger Games mais je n'ai aucune envie de lire Flaubert et je vais préférer lire Orwell à John Green. Les 3 mousquetaires c'est un classique ET un YA. et que faire de tous les autres livres? Les romans policiers, les romans de fantasy, où classer des auteurs comme Gaiman, Pennac, Murakami qui ne sont pas des YA mais peut-être pas encore des classiques non plus…

    Au final, la littérature c'est comme n'importe quel art. Il y a de tout et tout ne peut pas plaire à tout le monde. Il faut apprendre à découvrir, à rester ouvert mais on ne peut pas se forcer à aimer et on ne peut pas attendre des autres qu'ils aiment les mêmes choses 🙂

  62. I'm commenting before reading anyone else's comments just so this is as pure of a reaction as possible.

    As a teenager that reads a wide variety of literature, including YA and classics (though I'm not as well-versed in classics as you), I can understand your frustration with people that only read YA. However, to use the argument that these people are getting stuck in a rut of reading patterns and to say that this is YA's fault is ignorant. I'm sure there's just as many people out there that only read classics and high-brow literature (just like you), and that's just as detrimental. Especially when you say that the difficulty of reading classics opens your mind to different ideas, I don't think it does if you're still only reading classics!

    Young adult books, just like classics, come in a wide variety of writing styles and with a wide variety of themes. And yes, I agree that because books are much easier to publish nowadays, YA has turned into a market where large number of authors utilize the same themes in their books to sell copies. However, that same fact, that books are easier to publish now, also lends it's way to more authors with diverse themes in their books as well. We can compare this to the internet and the rapid spread of ideas. The internet, along with social media, has made it possible for bloggers and Youtubers and such to appeal to the general populace in exchange for more money and collaborations with advertisers. However, the internet has also made it possible for people that wouldn't otherwise be able to spread their ideas to do so. In the Youtube world, these may be the people with less subscribers, so they're less likely to pop up in your recommended, but they're still there. In the YA world, there's plenty of thought-provoking, revolutionary literature that may not appeal to the general populace, so it doesn't pop up on bestseller lists or on Youtube. But these books are still there! It's just up to the reader to discern which YA books they think are quality content.

    On that note, even if a book is written for YA readers and is on bestseller lists and touted throughout the Booktube community, it would be a shame to write that book off with the belief that all these readers were fooled by the YA market. Several YA books (think The Hate U Give or Simon vs. the Homo Sapien's Agenda) climb bestseller lists because they tell important stories in accessible formats.

    I think you are absolutely right that classics are filled with more history, so they are more complex in many ways. It's important to read classics to form connections in your brain that wouldn't be formed otherwise. However, YA literature is also important because it lets a breadth of individuals give their takes on contemporary topics while those topics are still contemporary.

  63. I understand you saying that when you read YA you don't get introduced to Literature but I do think this depends on the goal you have when you read. For instance, my stepmom also reads a lot, but she only reads crime books. The reason why she doesn't read anything else is because her goal is to relax, to have an adventure. Whereas my goal is to read widely, broadly, diversely. I think many of the YA readers here also start with just reading for their pleasure and some will go on reading to learn more or to broaden their horizons. It's the same with movies: many people go to the movies but you have entertaining movies and you have more intellectual movies. Many people go to the movies just for pleasure, they don't go to see how the lighting is, the directing, … that's for the people who adore movies, who want to learn more from it, who want to deep dive.

    You are a reader that wants to learn as much as you can, that's why you read so diiferently zn dhave a different research strategy.

    I find it great that so many people are reading more, whether it is YA or crime or whatever. reading is great and I don't want to downtalk anyone that reads.

  64. Bonjour, bien que que tu ne lises pas de romans dit "Young Adult", tu as parlé du sujet de l'inceste dans une de tes vidéos (je suis navrée, je ne sais plus laquelle!) je voudrais tout de même te conseiller le roman de Tabitha Suzuma 'Forbidden" qui après certaines polémiques, dues au sujet et à certaines scènes décrites, a été classé en "New Adult". L'inceste est un sujet très très peu abordé en littrérature et ce roman m'a bouleversée! Je ne spoile pas, mais ce roman traite de l'inceste consenti entre un frère et une soeur.

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  66. J'ai eu une grosse période YA et je me suis lassée surement parce que je ne vois plus la littérature de la même façon. Je ne la vois plus seulement comme un divertissement mais comme quelque chose qui m'enrichit sur de nombreux points. Par ailleurs en tant que personne qui écrit, il est vite devenu important pour moi de m'intéresser à des genres très variés.
    Je pense qu'il n'y a pas de "classement" à faire dans tous les cas car cela n'amène à rien, même si, moi-même, je déteste certains types de littératures ^^. Je me rappelle notamment, par rapport à cette histoire de "classement", d'une émission de la grande librairie qui abordait les 30 titres qui ont changé la vie des français, et parmi eux, il y avait Harry Potter. Les personnes qui étaient présentes sur le plateau, se sont montrées tellement condescendantes, c'était ridicule car ils niaient tout le travail derrière l'oeuvre et la puissance de l'univers développé.

  67. Hello, je regarde ta vidéo avec beaucoup d'intérêt ! Personnellement j'aime vraiment les YA et pourtant je passe de Pullman à Tolkien à Zola sans aucun souci. Je trouve qu'il y a un vrai souci sur booktube car il est assez compliqué de trouver des personnes qui parlent plus de classique et contemporain. Peut-être est-ce parce qu'il y a quelque chose d'assez générationnel avec Youtube … Je ne sais pas.

    Pour être quelqu'un qui navigue dans environ tous les styles et univers, je trouve que dorénavant il y a des romans YA qui sont classés comme tels mais qui sont très matures : il y a de la diversité, de la représentation, des mondes inventés. On peut toujours trouver son compte. Par contre je suis d'accord avec toi même si j'aime Green comme ça pour passer une bonne soirée (c'est un peu comme regarder une comédie romantique pour moi), je vais vraiment adorer des autrices comme Schwab et Bardugo qui ont des univers à tomber.

    Le problème avec les classiques c'est qu'on les colle souvent trop tôt avec une obligation de les lire, une sanction à la fin avec une note. Forcément, ça change la façon dont on voit les classiques. Enfin voilà beaucoup de blabla pour rien 😀

  68. I don't think I ever got into reading YA as such, not even as a teenager. I had (and still have) the same issues as you, and I always felt they were not as deep or engaging as I'd like a book to be. That being said, what "bothers" me the most about these novels is the huge advertisement campaing they usually have behind them. The fact that most booktube channels consist of book hauls is actually quite telling of the way books have turned into a commodity so the publishing industry can make more profit out of it. I'm not saying authors shouldn't benefit from this, it only makes me think what happens to those books that won't do well enough in such an ever-changing market that relies so much on social media and ephimeral hype. As in, I feel that with this best-seller sort of mentality that seems to be such a part of YA and contemporary literature (I'm overgeneralizing for the sake of making my point, of course), we're missing on key texts that, even though they might not be as "popular" they can be extremely thought-provoking and contribute to the whole development of ideas and social issues. In other words, I find it a bit unsettling that books are starting to be sold in a similar way as clothes or beauty products or technology items… and we might be missing the whole point of what literature stands for (or simply we no longer care about literature any more as long as money is flowing).

  69. Je suis juste tellement content de trouver la première chaine qui parle en deux langues. Je voulais le faire. Je vais le faire du coup.

  70. Je sais que ça n'a rien avoir avec le sujet mais peux-tu nous faire une vidéo en donnant quelques conseils pratiques et astuces pour apprendre l'anglais ? Thank you 😊

  71. I'm mostly, almost entirely, a fantasy reader, and if I ever become an author I want to just stick to that genre.

    Now, I don't know if fantasy can be considered as literature besides Lord of the Rings and maybe Utopia, since it's mostly used as a means of escapism. But, the emphasis on fictional worlds and worldbuilding is what I love the most.

    Thus, I've noticed that YA has overlapped very much with this genre (alongside others) yet I've noticed that most of the titles there are not very good as they seem to rely on cliches and being Tolkien copycats (plus love triangles). But some of my ideas seem to fall into the YA (or maybe not) but as long it's good fantasy, I otherwise would remain indifferent to YA. After all more famous authors such as Brandon Sanderson don't seem to mind doing both adult and YA titles.

    But as others here have mentioned, I find it odd that most Booktubers are exclusively YA (except for one I follow) but I find their critiques and analysis of many titles to be pretty useful, so again I remain mostly indifferent to YA besides the fact that 90% of it sucks, just like in other genres and mediums. I think in the end it depends on the priorities of the readers, which is one reason why "diversity" is so emphasized on that genre in particular mostly because the readers in it want to feel included, something they may not find in the classics for example.

    Mon français n'est pas très bon, mais j'ai trouvé ton analyse intéressant. Avez vous faire des vidéos des livres Québécois? Merci beaucoup pour ton vidéo.

  72. Thank you. This. All of it. I feel like such an ass hole when I totally judge a grown adult person who defines themselves as “well read” and than names a slew of YA books as their ultimate favorites…. am I an ass hole? Probably. I’m ok taking that title, I suppose. Does it mean I disrespect or view somebody who only reads YA as a lesser human? No.

  73. Je suis d'accord dans l'ensemble. J'aime surtout que tu aies discuté de la diversité qui existe dans le domaine de "classics" et l'importance de lire au-delà de son niveau actuel. Cependant, je ne pense pas que ce soit "facile" d'être publié dans le domaine de YA. Le simple fait qu'il y a tellement de gens qui veulent être publié dans cette catégorie signifie, à moi, que c'est plutôt chanceux, pas forcément facile.. De plus, je pense que certains gens lisent beaucoup de YA quand ils ont beaucoup de contact avec les ados (les enseignants, par exemple) pour rester courants à la perspective de leurs étudiants, mais aussi pour les présenter la littérature au-delà de YA (en utilisant YA/les sujets représentés ici comme une transition)…mais c'est la pédanterie…
    J'aime toujours ces vidéos de discussion. Merci beaucoup <3

  74. I find it pretty wrong what you said about booktube & classical books. I can name at least two booktubeuses who talk about Zola and love Zola. We also all have a different definition of classical but that's a long debate.
    Jane Austen is considered as a classical, I understand in which sense. But it doesn't mean I liked one of her books I started reading and I get the message on my own while reading it. As you say, it's a matter of opinion. I did not like this author, maybe because I did not start with her best book, I don't know. But to me, it is not a big of a deal. Maybe I'll try again later.

    And I don't find it bad that people are reading YA today. What I find wrong is not having any opinion about it. And another stuff bothers me: YA written because the subject is in trend like dystopia or thriller for example. Maybe it is because I heard so many "Oh this one is dystopian and it is soooo good" but when I read the summary, I didn't find it really dystopic or so. Like, it was a trend and a lot of authors wanted to try themselves at it.

    And as soon as the author is satisfied with his work, I don't find it evil that there are so many YA today. But I agree on the fact that it might be a sort of trend with a lot of commercial aspects.

    I also think it is sad if someone does not read or does not get the litterature world, which can be seen in different perspectives. But I think one can not force another. Also, if someone read only YA, I think it is good because at least they read and do not say "Books are crap".

    A lot of people consume a sort of media and don't know what they are "talking about" if they talk about it at all. It's human, it is okay to be wrong sometimes. Maybe someday they'll figure it out, like we all do once or twice in our life.

    I like your videos and this one in particular because it made me think a lot about literature.
    We might desagree on some points but that's the way I like to debate. And we agree on that point.

    I know the video might date back for you, sorry ^^ I discover your channel a month ago, I think.
    Best wishes to you and take care 🙂

  75. I feel like in discussions about the value of YA, it often never goes past "well, YA gets teenagers into reading so case closed". Like, okay, great. Then what? There are a lot of high school students who devour YA books but drag their feet reading for class. And I do not buy crap about "Oh, the teachers need to teach better, it's the teacher's fault blah blah blah". No, YA cultivates a LAZINESS on the part of the reader. With exceptions of course, but YA is a marketing genre, not a literary one, and it is meant to be easily digestible. These books are churned out one after another in trilogies, in series, for profit. It is not challenging literature, it is meant to be exciting and easy. It's like if I were to subsist on a diet of candy and soda and say, "well, at least I'm eating".

    I say this as a person who read YA voraciously in high school, stopped reading altogether for a bit, and has recently gotten into reading more "serious" literature at 21. Now I read slower, and I read fewer books in a year, but god. The quality is much better. I'm even beginning to dip my toe into poetry, which used to intimidate me. But now I find I enjoy it better because I'm just reading more complex novels. It's quality over quantity, really. I will never be able to sit down and devour an 800 page book in a day. But I'm okay with that, because that's not what it's about now.

  76. So ya novels is like the sword art online of books, good when you first get in to it, trash once you've read better ones

  77. I feel like YA as a genre in terms of publishing and marketing has created constraints in terms of what you can sell to publishers.
    YA is mainly meant to target and explore the issues of people in a certain age group. I feel like even if you tried to introduce these wider deeper concepts and philosophies it wouldn't be seen as marketable.

    They create a cycle by limiting the exposure and information of what classic literature is like which creates less demand and therefore less representation and bottlenecks itself.
    Maybe initially it was marked to bridge the gap but saw the popularity and market for it and allowed it to be money making.
    I understand when people that write YA books read YA if they are above the age range as knowledge of the market is key especially considering the competitive market for YA due to its popularity.

    Honestly this is just my own rambling but as an aspiring author I would love to bring some more high concept ideas into YA than what I personally see and learn more about classics.

  78. Je n'ai aucun intérêt pour la littérature du jeune adulte moderne. Ils exagèrent les tropes et facilitent la prose pour s'adapter aux jeunes. Pourtant, les adolescents sont autant complexes que les adultes.
    Quel est leur but? Projeter une mauvaise image comme vilipender les parents? Invoquer une peur sur un sujet comme le viol ou l'anorexie? Et je suis une adulte avec une adolescence dépressive!
    En ce moment, je lis Eagles de Elys. L'amour est superficiel et centré sur l'apparence des personnages. L'utilisation d'épithètes n'aide pas le cas et le point de vu des deux personnages se ressemble, ce qui me rappelle une fan-fiction de Malak. L'auteur prend le thème des motards, un groupe à dominance mâle et au caractère déviant, pour les approcher encore plus.

    Comme la télévision, les livres peuvent avoir une mauvaise influence. Il existe une histoire traumatique en rapport à Twilight. Cela concerne le fandom plutôt que le contenu. Un élève a dit qu'il déteste Twilight et une adolescente, une accro, décide de jeter un liquide acide sur la victime. La "criminelle" fût arrêtée tout en affichant un sourire.
    Une autre, cette fois-ci avec le contenu, propose l'excuse d'Edward. https://twilight-sucks.livejournal.com/511586.html#cutid1

    L'amour est un thème récurrent et ils le déforment, glorifient et modèlent à leur guise. Comme les autres domaines, c'est une chose à étudier. J'étais dans le faux pour la littérature populaire ou para-littérature. Je la voyais comme un fast-food sans valeur artistique qui ne sert qu'à vendre. C'est un art à maîtriser. Cela ne veut pas dire, on bâcle et voilà, c'est fait.
    Pour le YA, ce n'est pas "imiter un adolescent naïf et impressionnable". C'est bien plus que ça et il devrait être plus que ça!

    C'est pourquoi je préfère la littérature classique: elle pense plus que la littérature moderne. C'est inquiétant en quoi l'intelligence diminue et que la vente monte. J'évite aussi les prix littéraires.

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