56 Replies to “Overly Sarcastic Podcast: Blue Talks Epic Poetry

  1. i noticed that you mentioned that genesis has two creation stories and i got excited bc people dont believe me when i try to explain it !!!

  2. I am really enjoy this podcast! Though I can't seem to get anything done when I'm listenIng to it and trying to do homework…

  3. long and short syllables have nothing to do with stressed syllables, the form of metre in English poetry is totally different to Greek and Latin; likewise, only the fifth metre has to be a dactyl, the last a spondee or trochee, and the ones before a mixture, so it wouldn't sound how you said

  4. A fun (or terrifying) thinkg to learn is that epic dactylic hexameter (with all its variety, which, alas, was not touched upon, hopefully for the sake of brevity) is the simplest and most consistent metrical structure.
    I suppose lyric poetry has to follow this one, and the meters there are much more varied and infinitely more complex. Look at all the aeolic meters for example.
    But it would be great, should you ever fancy it, to do a metrical analysis of some of the great choral stasima of greek drama.

  5. Hell yeah, Epic Poetry! Thanks for making this video, I love epic poetry.

    Also you do Ancient Greek and Latin (even Italian?!)? You just became 10x cooler, seriously.

    And yeah, entire dorm should be quarantined. I'm somehow safe. I am also terrified…

  6. Yo Blue, do the Greeks know how to write in the Iliad or the Odyssey? It's hard to imagine that in those stories, Achilles or Odysseus wouldn't have known what writing was. At the same time, its hard to imagine the Greeks and Trojans not having writing, and becoming as developed as they seem in the epic poems.

  7. Love this! Always wanted to learn more about epic poetry and the structure of it. I major in ancient Mediterranean studies but sadly we don't focus much on this topic. Thank you for discussing this!! 🙂

  8. I was wondering what program you use for your awesome videos? These videos are so funny and they always help me with school.

  9. ever since my teacher showed us your video on Dante's Inferno, i actually just went ahead and watched almost all of your other video's … including the Iliad which is what were going to look into after the Inferno, then glance a bit at the Odyssey (POOR ODYSSEUS MAN, THE GUY HAS GONE THRU ENOUGH ALREADY!) and then end at the Aeneid (Dang it Virgil, quit copy pasting). All of these made me learn more then just planting my face in a book would do and i had a lot of good laugh's. Keep up the good work guys and I hope you continue to make more video's in the future. 😀

  10. some of the stuff you're saying about jazz reminds me of something i noticed singing in a choir (church music mostly but not an actual church choir)- there are certain little sequences that turn up everywhere, certain shapes i notice constantly- it's quite cool and presumably comes from a similar place as what you were talking about.

    anyway this was super interesting, especially the stuff comparing homer to bards in yugoslavia

  11. I found an article that explains the reason as to why that story in Genesis is told twice: https://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html I know Blue wasn't saying that to making a 'contradiction' claim, as this article is defending, I just thought it was interesting as to why the Bible repeats itself in a different way.

  12. Could you make a video on Jason and the Argonauts?!

    Nobody talks about this story and as a Georgian(modern Colchis) it is a very important part of my countrys history. And it is very sad that a nation that pre-dates practically every other culture, fought and survived Every empire in Eurasia, from Summerians to Russians gets no mention in any historical channels except when talking about Stalin.

  13. I guess I shouldn't be surprised epic poetry theory is a lot like music theory.

    As for Shakespeare, I don't know. Shakespeare may be easier to read when translated. You basically need to translate it even when you are speaking English because its so fluffy.

  14. Damn it, Blue, now that I know how important meter was to epic poetry, I have this insane urge to add it to the story I'm writing…like an entire species that communicates in metered verse.

  15. I'd love nothing more than to join you in your podcast one day on a subject I can converse with you on. Your channel and your videos are by far my favorites on YouTube right now.

  16. Wait… A non-greek who sort of gets Greek…No way. The only Greek I ever managed to teach anyone were swear words. The moment I try to teach things like the alphabet it seems people turn off…. But the moment they learn the word cunt, they'll never let go of it.

    I'm the worst Greek-American ever.

  17. Fun interesting poetry to talk about is norse eddic and skaldic poetry, they had the pretty simple Fornyrðislag, all the way to the overly complex Dróttkvætt which some times actually required the poet to ignore or modify grammar to make the poem work

  18. This exists in the old English ballads too!

    As someone who likes to memorize very old narrative ballads in English, which are kind of like epic poems in function, I can 100% confirm that if I hear, say 2 different versions of the same song, and two of them sound pretty, I’ll cannibalize lyrics from them and reorganize them to make my own version, which is maximally pretty.

    So it makes sense that the people writing down the Iliad would so the same.

    Also you can hear the repeated tropes and phrases even in English ballads. The phrase “a grave both wide and deep”, “come all you [youths of some sort] a warning take by me” “if I was [some kind of bird] I’d do [some thing, usually relating to a lost love]” all turn up a lot and I’m sure there’s many more. That’s just what I’ve noticed, as an amateur.

    It’s definitely fun to play around with. If you can get good enough at singing the ballads you can start to experiment and make up your own lyrics or rearrange them to tailor it towards your audience.

  19. I hope someone's already recommended this, but Kyle Kallgren has an excellent two-part video about the Klingon Hamlet and then goes into translating Shakespeare into different languages, one specific example being just how damn difficult "To be or not to be" is to translate when languages don't have a verb that encapsulates everything that the English 'to be' does.

  20. I'm sort of sure this is way too late, but about the formulas: here in Estonia the oldest songs are in the fennougric tradition, it's all put together somewhat differently, but these also follow a meter, namely trochaic tetrameter. And the singers of old would have formulaic… padding, I'd say, to make one line into four etc. The added lines tended to stay the same for one singer or archetype and follow eachother in a familiar way, giving the singer some additional time to make the next "block of happenings" fit the meter and other systems. (I.e. while they were going on about how the man came with ships of wood over a dark sea, they had some seconds to figure out their next non-formulaic line.)

  21. actually Shakespeare to German isn't that hard, since they use similar sentence structures, and the Germans do talk like in a Shakespearian play just without the drama

  22. Sorry to nitpick, but your example of Abraham and Isaac is slightly off. Abraham “rose early the next day” and walked three days until he came to the area God wanted him to go to. In the Hebrew it’s actually dawn or daybreak. There are other examples in the Bible of skipping over lengths of time, so I’ll give you that. This example is just not one of them.

    Thanks for the otherwise awesome and informative video.

  23. So a plague-like disease that only affects one dorm… I assume a party or two may have happened there…perhaps this would have been the time to go over "the mask of the red death".

  24. I actually liked reading Shakespeare in german last year. It was SO much easier to read than Don Carlos by Schiller or right now Goethe's Faust, which were both written in german. These two are damn near impossible to understand unless our teacher is kind enough to explain what the hell's happening. Though Carlos wasn't as bad as Faust, it was still quite a hard read

  25. Schliemann, the dumbass who 'dug up' Troy actually dug THROUGH Troy and proclaimed that that was Troy, even though ALL THE EVIDENCE said it was way too old to actually BE Troy. Afterwards he went to Mykines and went to dig that up and found some jewels, which he smuggled away to give to his wife. Yes, he used the Illiad to get TO them, but also to (literally) go THROUGH them… Basically, I don't like this asshat. So next time you go to Troy, know that this isn't the Troy from the Illiad, but from a few hundred years before.

  26. Sire…sire…please don’t call me a liar, for I swear I have not destroyed your pen outside of this beautiful empire.

    I am your lord, Avoris, and the truth of my pen, I aspire.

    But please, my lord, my ruler, my sire, I do not know; I swear I do not know where your pen is, for I am no liar.

    Liar, liar, but your clever lies, I do admire, but the truth of your treachery I solely desire.

    But what truth can I offer, if I am no liar?

    Why, your soul, entire.

    My soul entire? For the truth you require? How my soul, do you expect to acquire?

    Why, gods, rulers, miracles are my attire, and so your soul, with divine fire, I will tire; your soul, in you, the liar, and I will witness your soul retire.

    Please, my sire, spare me this grief, for I would never provoke your ire.

    I know it is you, Avoris, my squire, who stole my pen for your own desire, you stole it from me when we past that spire, for it was your wish, against me, to conspire.

    My lord, my sovereign, my sire, I swear I did not take the pen, I couldn’t have…please believe that I am no liar.

    I do care for you, my squire, but I do not believe that you are no liar; I see your lies lifting you higher, higher, with your mind on fire, into my wrath, entire. I see your soul, so dire, surrounded by my divine slaves: the gods, the miracles, all disguised as my attire…Avoris, let the truth transpire, save your soul, and for once…be no liar.

    Okay…it was me who stole your pen, but I did not destroy it in divine fire, I couldn’t, I wanted to but I couldn’t because I lost it prior.

    I know, Avoris, I know you did not destroy my pen, for I already have it back. It came back to me, Avoris, and it told me everything. And that is how I knew you were a liar, and now I shall take your soul, and watch it burn in divine fire.

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