80/10/10 Vegan Diet – Fact & Fiction – Raw Food Diet – BEXLIFE


Rebekah: Why do you hate Freelee the Banana
Girl? Everyone is asking me. I’ve had 16 peaches since yesterday and telling you, these
peaches do not exist in nature. Michael: Why would we hate – I don’t hate
Freelee. Rebekah: Anyway, let’s get into 80/10/10.
So explain to us exactly what it is. We’re talking about 80/10/10. Michael: Yeah. Rebekah: Eighty percent fruits. Michael: Well, carbs. Rebekah: Carbs. Michael: We got to define it because just
like vegan can mean a lot of things. 80/10/10 can mean a lot of things, right? It tends
to mean, if you look at social media and YouTube, it tends to mean fruit, 80% fruit. But it
can mean 80% carbs in many ways. Rebekah: Since our last video that we did,
the long form podcast video, I’m getting so many questions about Freelee the Banana
Girl. Why do you hate Freelee the Banana Girl? Everyone is asking me. I’m like I never
said I hate her. Michael: Why would we hate – I don’t hate
Freelee. You didn’t say you hated Freelee. Rebekah: No. I mean I don’t love the way
she gets views on her videos but whatever. Michael: I think I have a lot of parallels
to Freelee and Durianrider in approach and philosophy other than some of the diet stuff
just – it’s a head scratcher for me. But … Rebekah: Definitely not in delivery. Michael: No. No, delivery is a little different
too. But see, I kind of appreciate that. I know that there has been some little wars
between them and other people because it has been borderline nasty, some of it. I think
it’s good though – look, we have the internet. It’s a public forum for people to mix it
up a little bit. I don’t know if I’d say the same thing if I were at the receiving
end of some of that. But I’d probably just have some fun with it. Rebekah: It’s entertainment. Michael: It’s entertainment for sure. Rebekah: It’s YouTube. Michael: It’s like the Howard Stern of raw
food world. Somebody has got to just – they say what they want to say unfiltered. I’m
not opposed to that. Rebekah: And they are at war with the raw
food world with Matt Monarch. That was some fun stuff. But anyway, let’s get into 80/10/10.
So explain to us exactly what it is according to the man who created 80/10/10. So we’re
not going to get into what everyone else thinks it is or makes up that it is. Michael: Right, Dr. Douglas Graham created
the 80/10/10 diet. He came from the – from a fruit-based or a high fruit-based raw food
background. I’ve known him for a long time, haven’t seen him for years. I mean I really
only met him once, once or twice when he was doing tours in New York and that was like
15 years ago. But he was one of the early pioneers of that
and he had a certain angle on it. And he was into eating a lot of fruit and then eventually
came out with his 80/10/10 program. He says that he works with athletes on that. And if
it’s 80% carbs, 10% protein and 10% fats, that’s fine. That’s not such a bad thing.
It’s OK to eat a low fat diet. But really, everybody needs to feel into what they need.
I know people that have done very well on that. But defining what that 80 – it’s really
the 80% that we’re concerned about because most people if they’re eating something
where they’re breaking up percentages or they’re eating about 80/10/10 of raw foods
and things, they generally make good food choices like people aren’t going to eat
80% Twinkies. No. They’re eating good things. So, the fats and the protein are generally
nuts and seeds or things like that. That’s usually what people are eating, good fats
and avocados and stuff like that. But it’s that 80% that’s the most controversial part. Rebekah: Well, it’s the part that’s going
to make you fat according to a lot of the comments that I’ve gotten on videos. When
people see how much fruit that I eat, I’m not on an 80/10/10 diet but I probably eat
more fruit than anything. It’s the highest – carbs are the biggest part of my diet
for sure. Michael: Yeah, mine too I would say. I do
eat a lot of fruit. I’m a big fruit fan. I do eat some sweet potatoes now and again,
once every couple of months and stuff. I eat steamed vegetables. I’ll eat carrots, carby
vegetables. So I get a lot of my calories from that too. The getting fat on fruit or getting fat on
carbs, that is generally all food combining stuff. Rebekah: Yeah. We’re not going to get into
food combining again. Michael: No, because that’s what that is. Rebekah: We have lots of videos for that.
Yeah, we have lots of food combining videos that people can refer to. Michael: Freelee and Durianrider, the biggest
like sort of 80/10/10 people which have now departed into some weird – those people
running around on the roof, which is – they’ve now departed into some odd cooked food thing
that I have all sorts of opinions about as a practitioner. But everybody I know that
food combines and might eat a lot of carbs and things like that, they look like them.
They look skinny or – they might not be as skinny as them but they look fit and they
look thin, a lot of the people that do that. I don’t know a lot of people … Rebekah: Yeah, I wouldn’t describe them
as skinny at all because they are very fit and they do have hot like lots of muscle mass.
They look good. Michael: Yeah. Rebekah: Which could also be a little bit
genetic or a lot genetic, it doesn’t necessarily have everything to do with nutrition. Michael: Well look, if you look at Freelee,
she was very – when she was eating whatever she was eating, she was puffy and pasty. Durianrider
I think was semi athletic before he got into this. But everybody I’ve seen eats that
way does not gain weight except for the people that try to mix fruit into the diets when
they have their cheat days and they have the thing. People that are consistently eating
high carb diets including grains, lots of vegetables and things like that, they don’t
get fat especially not from eating fruit. Rebekah: When you’re doing 80/10/10 though,
how are you getting enough B12 or iron or … Michael: Well, these were the issues, OK. Rebekah: The fats that you need for brain
building and brain function and all that when it’s such a small portion of your diet. Michael: I sort of link fruitarianism and
80/10/10 together because they sort of tend to go that way even though we said like you
can eat different carbs. You can eat complex carbs and be on 80/10/10. But like those are
the issues that had come up over – there are a couple of issues because eating high
fruit diets and high carb diets and low fat diets has gone on since way before I ever
got into this. Dr. Bisci was getting into this in the ‘60s
and ‘70s with people. And the first guy that ever told him about that was eating high
fruit. I think he was a fruitarian. And the guy, his skin looks great. He said his eyes
were white and clear. He said but the guy had no teeth. All his teeth had fallen out.
And that has happened to a lot of people long term on fruit. However, from what I understand and from what
Dr. Bisci has said and from the reading I’ve done, the more athletic you are, the more
fruit sugar you can handle. Fruit in the sedentary body is a disaster and it starts to demineralize
people because it ferments in the gut and it ferments in the blood. OK? So the more
athletic you are, the more fruit sugar you’re burning very quickly and you’re not having
stagnating sugars fermenting inside of your body. When sugar stagnates and ferments in your
body, they create acid and your body has to create a buffer system and it pulls it out
of your bones and your teeth. So … Rebekah: But this is what we keep talking
about like every single time we bring up one of these diets, there are so many variables
that can make or break you when you’re following any kind of diets. So does it have to be this
complicated? Because that’s the question I get like why does it have to be so complicated
that I have to work out all these percentages or why do I have to worry about food that’s
dangerous for me or not dangerous for me? Why can’t I just eat what I’m craving
or what I’m desiring at that moment and that be what is right for my body? Because
I don’t count stuff, I just eat what I like. I feel really good. I think I look pretty
good. Where does intuitive eating come into this? Michael: It comes into – well, there are
a couple of things with this. When we’re discussing things like 80/10/10 stuff, what
I’ve started to focus on in my response to you is the high fruit intake part of it.
OK? That’s unnatural. That’s why we’re talking about things that could go wrong.
We talked about bone demineralization. We talked about B12. It takes a long time for
those things to happen is what I wanted to add. So people that do that, they’re eating
that diet, generally are young. A lot of them were athletic and a lot of them are – and
it’s serving them well because it’s not all these bacon cheeseburgers and crap and
all that. They’re eating good clean food that’s cleaning their tissue, moving through
their body quickly. But these little things like these pH imbalances
that could be happening or B12 deficiency, they take a long time to happen. Dr. Bisci
told me a story last week about another guy, old school guy, too much fruit and the guy
just wouldn’t take a B12 shot or a B12 supplement because he was a purist. He was a natural
hygienist and the guy was like shaking and like his nervous system, the guy still wouldn’t
get it through his head. I think the guy died. This was many, many years ago. But it takes a long time for these things
to develop. And a lot of people have not been doing them that long. They have not been doing
them that long and it’s very subtle and then it catches up to you and you go, “Oh
shit! Like maybe I was wrong about that.” And eating a lot of fruit, fruit doesn’t
exist in nature the way that we think it does. I mean we’ve made a lot of it. We’ve hybridized
it to be sweeter even like corn and stuff like that. We’ve hybridized it to be sweeter,
not that they’re bad things but when we – we have this taste for salt and sweet
and things that would keep us looking for food in a natural world. When we first started 200,000 years ago, and
now we have everything we want. And we’re just like kids at the candy store, we go crazy.
So when you eat that much fruit – and I’m guilty of it too, I eat sweets. I eat a modern
– even though I eat clean natural food, I eat a modern diet. But we’re talking about
a diet that has had a balance. If I can make anything short today, I’m talking so much
today. Rebekah: No. I’ve had 16 peaches since yesterday
and I’m telling you, these peaches do not exist in nature. They are like … Michael: Yeah. Rebekah: … the juiciest, most giant peaches.
So, it’s not sustainable, 80/10/10 not good, yay or nay? Michael: Highly athletic and with good elimination,
yeah, I think it can work just fine. Rebekah: Forever? Michael: I would suggest though that people
do get some portion of that 80%, I would suggest they don’t get it 100% from fruit. I would
suggest that they get it from vegetables, eat a cooked carbs, or something a little
more slow-releasing than just sugary fruits. Rebekah: If Mike Perrine had to make a diet
using three numbers, three percentages, what would it be? Michael: Well, I work with people on what’s
going on with them very specifically. But let me just guess at one. I would say I don’t
know. Rebekah: No, do it. Michael: Basically, the way I set – it depends
on how people eat too. I mean I’ll tell you what my diet is like. On a given day,
I usually drink raw juices. Sometimes they’re sweet. Sometimes they’re just pure green.
Sometimes they carry beet-based. And then I eat a lot of fruits throughout the day.
I don’t know what percentage it is. I don’t way it or anything like that. But it could
be up to 40 or 50% of my calories. Some days I don’t do anything except for
drink water until 5:00 o’clock because I don’t need to and I still exercise on those
days. And then in the evening, I have a salad with some type of fat or protein in it. Generally,
that’s what I do. Sometimes every now and again, if I just have
eaten too many nuts or something and I just – I don’t want anymore, I’ll eat like
a big sweet potato or something like that, steamed vegetables. But it’s always a salad
and that at night. But I don’t like just fruit, fruit, fruit all day. Definitely, I
don’t eat 30 bananas a day. Definitely, don’t make a date-orade with 30 to 50 dates
in it and blend it. I just don’t do that. Rebekah: Oh, it sounds so good. Michael: It sounds good for two – it’s
like Peeps, remember those little candies. The first bite when you’re a kid, you’re
like great. Then you eat four of them and you want to puke. That’s the way it feels
to me. It’s just so much sugar. And even one of my days when I’m burning it really
hard on the bike and stuff, like I just don’t have cravings for that much sugar. I don’t
know why. That’s why it’s a head scratcher what’s happening in Australia over there.
I just go, “Really? You really want to eat that much sugar?” Because I’ve never known
anyone who would want to eat that much and I’ve never personally wanted to consume
that much sugar. I don’t get it. Rebekah: OK. So, one more question. One more
question. Quick question. Since we’re talking about diets anyway, two comments that I get.
One is that everyone is different so different diets work for different people and it’s
not a one size fits all. Number – the second one is we’re not that different. We’re
all human beings descended from the same place, the same environment so there are diets that
will fit everybody and be healthy for everybody. And where do you weigh in on that? Michael: I think the answer lies in the middle.
There is definitely physiological makeup that we all share no matter who we are and no matter
what part of the world we’re in. And that favors plant food. Are there tweaks for individual
people? Yeah. We come from very different lineages. I mean you look at a lot of Africans
and African-Americans, they don’t digest dairy very well or it’s that they come from
cultures that never really adapted dairy, some of them. And when you look at certain people from the
North, Northern Europe and stuff like that, they digest dairy a lot better than the average
person, than the person that doesn’t have that enzyme would. Rebekah: But we’re not so different and
to say that one person then, Atkins Diet will be ideal for them. And the other person, a
vegan diet will be ideal for them. Michael: No, I don’t believe so. I think
just fine tuning and tweaks based on people’s – based on their lineage and based on their
lifestyle now and based on how toxic they are when they start. OK? How bad off their
body is, things like that. But I do think that the general picture is plant-based and
in very rare circumstances that people actually do need to eat animals. But yeah, I think
plant-based with a very small demand for animal food if rarely, if ever. There’s this video that they keep – a
commercial that they keep playing. I watch Hulu a lot. I watch like shows on Hulu and
like they keep playing this video for this like home fitness program. And like there
is this one trainer and she is leading like a group of people like they did the fitness
video with the people on the back. So she’s like leading it and they’re showing a sample
of it. And she’s wearing like a half shirt. And she’s got muscle and she’s like in
shape but I could see that distended abdomen. She is totally constipated. She’s just full
of gas and she’s full of whatever. Probably assuming, I’m making assumptions of people
I don’t know which is silly. But I would assume, I would bet that she’s drinking
a lot of protein and eating a lot of meat based on the way that gut looks. And that
… Rebekah: Go ahead. Michael: Well, I was going to say, and that’s
not going to serve somebody in the long term. But when you’re eating that way and you’re
exercising all the time, it will create – it will stimulate growth. It’s going to – protein
is going to stimulate human growth hormone. It’s going to stimulate growth and you’re
going to feel really good. But Dr. Bisci told me once, all of his friends
that were – because he was a competitive lifter, he said, all those guys are the best
built people in the cemetery now. They didn’t die at 30 years old but like down the road,
they die earlier than they needed to. Their longevity wasn’t there because they were
just revving that machine. They were revving their engines so high and having to process
all this stuff and their body was constantly having to balance. And they look great and
they were very strong and then organs started to fail later on. So to answer your question
… Rebekah: Agree or disagree then that we – so
there are tweaks you’re saying. There are tweaks that we can make to our diets as individuals
depending on where we were when we started, our background, et cetera, et cetera, like
our ethnic background, our whatever. Michael: Yeah, and ruling out people that
don’t understand detox. Rebekah: Yeah. Michael: Ruling out the people that don’t
understand that detox process we had talked about earlier. In very few cases, I think
there are probably people that do need to eat some animal food. Rebekah: Right. But we aren’t so different
as to say that something like the Atkins or the Paleo diet would be right for one individual
and then a vegan or an 80/10/10 or a fruitarian diet would be perfect for another individual.
We aren’t that different. Michael: In my opinion, no. I think that certain
people will handle them better than others. There are some people that probably would
be able to handle more protein or something, their bowels will keep up with that, they’ll
do a lot better. And then I’ve seen people that eat like bacon and eggs in the morning
and they are exhausted. They are exhausted, bags under their eyes, and they get constipated.
So there are few that might handle it a little better in the short term, depends on age.
But there are so many variables. It’s hard to say. The general physiology favors plants though.
And we all know that poisons need to be out of food. So everything should be organic,
not – and we don’t live in a processed world. Rebekah: And there’s a big difference between
tolerating and thriving. And I think that you could feel like you’re thriving in the
short term when in fact what you’re really doing is tolerating it and then over the long
term is what you really have to look at. But unfortunately, we’re all kind of – I mean
most of the people watching these videos are doing things in the short term, and short
term even meaning a few years. That’s really not the big indicator. So yeah, just play
it on the safe side I guess. Like Dr. Bisci says, any doubt, leave it out. Michael: And I tend to agree. Michael Pollan’s
famous quote, it’s like, “Eat food, not too much …” Rebekah: Mostly plants. Michael: … mostly plants.” My thing is
eat food, not too much, mostly or all plants. Rebekah: I’m going to leave this one fun
fact about Michael Pollan. Do you know who his sister is? Michael: No. Somebody we know? Rebekah: No. She’s Tracy Pollan, Michael
J. Fox’s wife. Michael: Oh really? Is that right? I have
no idea. Rebekah: Yeah, there you go. Michael: I have no idea. I didn’t know who
Michael J. Fox’s wife was so … Rebekah: She was on Family Ties. She was a
guest star. She played his girlfriend on Family Ties and they’ve been married since then.
But anyway, leaving you with that. We have one more video to make. I have one more topic.
So we’re going to get right into that after this short break when I dispose of my … Michael: Banana peel. Rebekah: Banana peel. We have lots more where this came from including
topics on veganism, health, and even recipes that you are surely going to love. So make
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